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DRLHyper

Helsworth Wrote:
Oh man when will your ignorance end. Search for the thread and read through the long detailed and argumented posts of Commissar and just leave me alone.

If you can not handle the truth, that is not my problem. You post in a public forum, indicating that anything you post may be commented upon. If you do not happen to like the comment, that is not my problem. I said nothing offensive towards your person.

Helsworth Wrote:
Oh and btw the US government has betrayed americans, so... double fail.

Because you think most governments were planned by the British. Heck, you think the Soviet Union was a British assett, that Gorbachev was planted there by them too, and that Wall Street runs the United States, while London runs Europe.

I want you to consider things for a moment, and think things may not be like that. Yes, conspiracy stories are a good read but there is nothing backing them up.


Helsworth Wrote:

I read that. It never states that "Red Revolutionary =|= Soviet".

DRLHyper Wrote:

Helsworth Wrote:
Oh man when will your ignorance end. Search for the thread and read through the long detailed and argumented posts of Commissar and just leave me alone.

If you can not handle the truth, that is not my problem. You post in a public forum, indicating that anything you post may be commented upon. If you do not happen to like the comment, that is not my problem. I said nothing offensive towards your person.

Helsworth Wrote:
Oh and btw the US government has betrayed americans, so... double fail.

Because you think most governments were planned by the British. Heck, you think the Soviet Union was a British assett, that Gorbachev was planted there by them too, and that Wall Street runs the United States, while London runs Europe.

I want you to consider things for a moment, and think things may not be like that. Yes, conspiracy stories are a good read but there is nothing backing them up.


Helsworth Wrote:

I read that. It never states that "Red Revolutionary =|= Soviet".

1-It shows how Lenin and others betrayed the revolutionaries.
2-Marx and Engels were economists of the british school. After the death of Stalin, Kruschev began colaborating with and supporting british agendas. One has only to look at the paper he runs now and what it attacks/supports to make the connections with what he did when he was in power. As for Wall-Street and London it's de facto true. One has to look at the pre and post history of WW1, how the british empire played the major powers against each other, how they enabled Hitler's rise to power in hope of them attacking Russia and how they opposed german reunification after WW2. They runned a quarter of the globe for a lot of time. Saying that an oligarhical empire evaporates just because it does so de jure, is just being naive. You cannot say that there is "nothing" backing them up, since they exist and historians talk about it more or less, depending on the audience and context. I'll tell you what's being backed by nothing, your opinion on physics in general.

DRLHyper

Helsworth Wrote:
1-It shows how Lenin and others betrayed the revolutionaries.

They did not breatay the revolutionaries, they were the revolutionaries. Yes, infighting between Socialist factions was common, but Lenin did not go around killing his own followers. He went around killing those unloyal to him.

Helsworth Wrote:
2-Marx and Engels were economists of the british school. After the death of Stalin, Kruschev began colaborating with and supporting british agendas. One has only to look at the paper he runs now and what it attacks/supports to make the connections with what he did when he was in power. As for Wall-Street and London it's de facto true. One has to look at the pre and post history of WW1, how the british empire played the major powers against each other, how they enabled Hitler's rise to power in hope of them attacking Russia and how they opposed german reunification after WW2. They runned a quarter of the globe for a lot of time. Saying that an oligarhical empire evaporates just because it does so de jure, is just being naive. You cannot say that there is "nothing" backing them up, since they exist and historians talk about it more or less, depending on the audience and context. I'll tell you what's being backed by nothing, your opinion on physics in general.

Oh yeah? Prove it. And I do not want just an internet text document stating 'how' and 'why' they would do so. I need empirical evidence. A paper signed by the British Intelligence, a Soviet confession, anything. If what you say is true, the secret is just too big to maintain a secret. At some point something must have leaked. Something official, with signatures and orders.

The British planned and directed the war effort my country and Brazil led against proto-Socialist Paraguay. But empirical evidence of that exists. The money transfer, the press statements -- everything is written on paper and can be confirmed.

Not so much as the USSR being a British tool. You can not prove that. And if you can, I want to see your evidence.

The Cold war was artificially started and maintained. I'm not going to be your search engine. If you're interested look it up yourself. There is no secret.

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DRLHyper: They did not breatay the revolutionaries, they were the revolutionaries. Yes, infighting between Socialist factions was common, but Lenin did not go around killing his own followers. He went around killing those unloyal to him.


Helsworth meant the Socialist Revolutionaries party. Lenin's Bolsheviks were part of the Social Democrats. Lenin was a murderous bastard who had no policy track but to divide Russia for his personal ascension. He killed anyone who didn't agree with him and that was a viable alternative to his power. Just like when he placed snipers around the Duma when the SRs won the popular election. He wound up implementing things he initially opposed once in power. His policy were a step backward from Stolypin's policies. I usually don't like explaining things like that, but I thought I'd clear it up.

Commissar Wrote:
In 1860 the American National Republican Convention included in their electoral platform, on which Abraham Lincoln stood for President, the following statement: "...we brand the recent re-opening of the African Slave Trade, under the cover of our national flag, aided by perversions of judicial power, as a crime against humanity and a burning shame to our country and age".

The International Criminal Court (ICC) was organized by the Rome Statute and the UN has delegated several crimes against humanity cases to the ICC. The ICC acting without a UN referral lacks the broad jurisdiction to prosecute crimes against humanity, and cannot prosecute many cases, particularly if they occur outside of ICC-member nations.

Yes the United States is world hypocrite because it only brings up international law when it serves their own interest. The US has not ratified the Rome Statute with the ICC. How do you think that would effect US foreign policy if they did ratify it?

Dude... The U.N wasn't even made at the time you're pointing out. That document is pointless. It's talking about slavery, so what? Every other nation that practiced slavery *cough* the entire world *cough* should be prosecuted NOW? Do you do this to purposely make yourself look stupid? You're not going to find it. It pisses you off or something so you keep trying? It isn't on record. It won't be. It can't be. It is a form of CHARGING someone. Sooooo you just go and find any U.S record that has crimes against humanity mentioned in it? Before it was even judicially defined by the U.N? Ummm that proves NOTHING.

Good effort, annoying, but good. I'm trying to prove something to you, something you should accept and it beats me why you haven't. If anyone is defending the U.S it's you, because you're making it seem like there is some accountability. When in fact there is none.

I think your pursuit is more about proving me wrong than proving a point, but you can't. Why? Because this is something that is established by law, and if you find the document from the ICJ/ICC that calls a U.S action a crime against humanity then I encourage you to go to The Hague and tell them "hey guys you missed this case!". Because that would mean they had charged the U.S, but never followed through in prosecuting..... Oh wait, that is exactly what happened. Even then though the terminology "Crime against humanity" wasn't used. It's used for men like I said, of the caliber of Saddam Hussein or Muammar Ghadaffi. Specific individuals being charged and tried.

International Court of Justice (ICJ)... The branch the ICC is under.

Lol, many countries won't ratify it. Many countries that have, still don't adhere to it. Why? There's no enforcement.

DRLHyper

Helsworth Wrote:
The Cold war was artificially started and maintained. I'm not going to be your search engine. If you're interested look it up yourself. There is no secret.

I have no need to search such documents myself, because I am inclined to think they do not even exist. So why bother?

You are the one here trying to make us believe that the British is out to dominate the world. Not me.

@Commissar: I understand your point now.

Commissar Wrote:
The Soviet Union had a bad human rights record. But if we are thinking globally, and if we want to solve the world's problems, then we have to look to the biggest source of the problems.


Another thing I cannot understand what so ever... Is your contempt for the American people. You seem to be angrier with them than the government. You're targeting the wrong institution.

If you hate the country, government, and the people in it so much do like Du Bois and be out.

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VincentNikolai: I'm trying to prove something to you, something you should accept and it beats me why you haven't.


I think that is the prime motive for all your latest responses. You desperately try to prove yourself. Your whole bickering is based on narrow definitions: the U.S. government has never been officially convicted for "crimes against humanity" in the United Nations. Who cares? I already knew that. The point is that other institutions like the ICJ have convicted the US government. The accusations and evidence of crimes by the U.S. government never ceases. Hence, the EU HRC Hammarberg's recent statement last week. These opinions matter and don't reflect well with U.S. credibility. People will remember. One day the U.S. government won't be able to politically stall litigation against all the pressure and you may see a Nuremberg-style trial in the UN. You can look at all the documented video evidence on wikileaks.


Here is a televised report by Russia Today (RT) that shows the U.S. Government deliberately infected Guatemaleans with Cyphilis and Ghonarea (Sexually Transmitted Diseases). The U.S. government has admitted responsibility.

Looks like they are settling out of court. So the U.S. still hasn't had a formal crimes against humanity charge against them in the U.N.!!!!!!!Daumenhoch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTc0C_-uc0M

Commissar Wrote:

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VincentNikolai: I'm trying to prove something to you, something you should accept and it beats me why you haven't.


I think that is the prime motive for all your latest responses. You desperately try to prove yourself. Your whole bickering is based on narrow definitions: the U.S. government has never been officially convicted for "crimes against humanity" in the United Nations. Who cares? I already knew that. The point is that other institutions like the ICJ have convicted the US government. The accusations and evidence of crimes by the U.S. government never ceases. Hence, the EU HRC Hammarberg's recent statement last week. These opinions matter and don't reflect well with U.S. credibility. People will remember. One day the U.S. government won't be able to politically stall litigation against all the pressure and you may see a Nuremberg-style trial in the UN. You can look at all the documented video evidence on wikileaks.


Here is a televised report by Russia Today (RT) that shows the U.S. Government deliberately infected Guatemaleans with Cyphilis and Ghonarea (Sexually Transmitted Diseases). The U.S. government has admitted responsibility.

Looks like they are settling out of court. So the U.S. still hasn't had a formal crimes against humanity charge against them in the U.N.!!!!!!!Daumenhoch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTc0C_-uc0M

Dude, I don't need to prove myself. Fact is I've outdone you on your own posts a few times. See, now again you yield. Thank you. You could've said from the start "yes vincent that's true". I was speaking on a very specific topic, which I made clear from the start. The U.S... can't be convicted. It's a country. You can give reports on it and convict certain people within the government, but like I've repeatedly said... No enforcement.

The fact that the U.S hasn't is... You know what Commissar, forget it.

I'm done explaining this, lol. It's explaining law to someone who doesn't want to get it.

I know what I know on it and if you want to continue in your blissful arrogance on it then go ahead.

Funny though how the ENTIRE TIME I'VE BEEN TELLING YOU AND AGREEING WITH YOU NOT GOING AGAINST YOU.


SHOWING YOU AND REINFORCING FOR YOU THE FACT THE U.S HAS STALLED THESE THINGS. THE FACT YOU CAN'T CONVICT A U.S POLITICIAN ANYMORE THAN YOU COULD A NORTH KOREAN POLITICIAN BECAUSE OF NOOOOO ENFORCEMENT.

Fuck it if you think I'm going against you somehow so be it. You can't find the fucking document and it frustrates you why? It just REINFORCES YOUR POINT. What ignorance.

I'm done here. I really don't need to be bothering teaching a grown ass man the proceedings of the U.N. Take a fuckin' class I'm not a teacher.

Don't like it? LEAVEE!!!!! YOU aren't doing ANYTHING to FIX it.

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