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The chinese killed 100 million eh? I'd love to see your source.

@beste
Mao's regime's death toll is about 70 million people, mostly because of his so called "Great leap forward".

78 million + around 6 million in the chinese civil war = 84 million which is around 100 million people.

http://necrometrics.com/20c1m.htm#Chinese

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html

A civil war is a civil war.

Dead people is still dead people.

These sources are partisan websites with no credentials. You have obviously only read your first soure superficially as it attributes more Civil War deaths to the US backed KMT than the Communists.

The second site give a list of sources (largely more-than-a-bit disreputable far right scholars like Rummel and Courtois), but no indication of how it compiled the enormous 78 million figure. Note also that it gives a range (49-78 million) and you dishonestly chose to state the highest number as fact. A margin of error of 29 million! just screams trustworthy, lol.

Are these supposed to be executions, starvation/poverty deaths or what? No indication. Nobel prizewinning economist Amartya Sens 1989 Hunger and Public Action estimates the starvation dead in Maoist China at 16.5-29.5 million. He stresses that the figures are much lower than for comparable market capitalist economies (ie India). True figures for executions will be a tiny fraction of this.

Great article on some of the issues raised here:
http://www.zcommunications.org/genocide-...ard-herman

A civil war is a civil war.
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You can't blame the death tolls on Mao, the nationalists also killed people.

The cultural revolution was a massacre, moreso than the casualties in the civil war.

Alas, Mao's in-power death tolls are far greater than Kai-Sek's.

so if i use a left-leaning website its OK.

your paradigm is biased towards a leftist agenda.

i included the civil war it is a part of the Mao genocide. just like death tolls from the American revolution are included in America's total death toll from wars.

you say i dishonestly gave information? you gave the lowest!!!!! that is just completely hypocritical of you. so don't accuse me of falsifying information when you did it first.

http://todayilearned.co.uk/2011/05/21/wh...st-people/

lastly, i don't know what planet you've been living on, but India is a socialist country that DENIES free market fundamentals like freedom to trade, freedom to set up businesses without unreasonable regulation, and India has a track record of suppressing foreign competition. Lastly, if India was a true capitalist country, the ENORMOUS bureaucracy wouldn't exist, but you simply ignored that didn't you.

No, you should use something with credibility. I used a Nobel prizewinning economist (who is pretty rightwing by the way). You used a kiddies website. Nothing to do with left and right.

http://www.amazon.com/Hunger-Public-Stud...0198283652
I truly recomend this to everyone here. A very insightful and nuanced dissection of the diferences in how different economic systems distribute essentials, create and respond to humanitarian crisis by a great mind.

Where did I do so? IIRC I gave the range estimated by Sen (16.5-29.5 million). I didnt just say 16.5 because I thought it would help my argument and no-one would notice. Thats what you did.

If China was a true communist country....

India was one of the first signitories of the GATT and a founding member of the WTO. Last time I checked the overwhelming majority of businesses were privately owned. Its as capitalist as the real world gets, certainly as much so as the US.


An afterthought. You are aware that propaganda was used in the cold war and it was in the interest of the US to massively inflate enemy attrocities? The ridiculously high figures still spouted by rightists and those who take them at their word come from something called - 'the black book of communism', taken seriously by the western establishment when it was published, later admitted to be fradulent by its authors.