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I just was thinking about the US and the Irene hurricane/catastrophy and suddenly had the idea that if Obama plays all of his cards right in the Irene hype he might be able to increase his chances for the next elections massively.
What do ya think?

DRLHyper

Titian Wrote:
I just was thinking about the US and the Irene hurricane/catastrophy and suddenly had the idea that if Obama plays all of his cards right in the Irene hype he might be able to increase his chances for the next elections massively.
What do ya think?

Obama needs to resign, and allow the non-religious part of the Republican party to take over. That way the United States can finally come out of it's deficit.

DRLHyper Wrote:

Titian Wrote:
I just was thinking about the US and the Irene hurricane/catastrophy and suddenly had the idea that if Obama plays all of his cards right in the Irene hype he might be able to increase his chances for the next elections massively.
What do ya think?

Obama needs to resign, and allow the non-religious part of the Republican party to take over. That way the United States can finally come out of it's deficit.


oO
I think it'd be a better idea if they give me absolute power over the USA to get things done.
Even better: Get the smartest guys from all parties into one single gouvernment which can rule without elections for 1 decade.

But that's still too complicated; I hoped for a button saying "solve deficit crisis"

DRLHyper

Titian Wrote:
oO
I think it'd be a better idea if they give me absolute power over the USA to get things done.
Even better: Get the smartest guys from all parties into one single gouvernment which can rule without elections for 1 decade.

But that's still too complicated; I hoped for a button saying "solve deficit crisis"

I was not joking. The US needs a freer economy, drastic cuts in the budget (specially that huge stimulus bill in that is the military-industrial complex), and welfare, as well as medicare/medicaid.

|EDIT|: Oh, and tax cuts. Specially to those who create jobs.

dude the Republican party got the United States in it's deficit in the first place, they put all the money in the military. If you aren't trolling you don't know anything about the United States

Irene will probably be category 1 by the time it lands, nothing will have to be done

DRLHyper

Triniteras23 Wrote:
dude the Republican party got the United States in it's deficit in the first place, they put all the money in the military. If you aren't trolling you don't know anything about the United States

It was the Democratic party for the most part, if you do look at it closely.

For example, Carter gave Panama the canal zone, so reneuves from there were lost. Kennedy started the war against Vietnam. Clinton artificially deflated the currency, instead of letting it float. Obama installed Socialized Healthcare, increased welfare, and maintained bailouts.

I do reckon the Republican party had it's downsides too. Bush was a fiasco, obviously a puppet of the military-industrial complex, and started bailouts.

But among the two parties, the Republicans have it mostly right. Once they become full libertarian, ditching the religious right, the United States will prosper and finally champion Free Market, and not a defunct Social Democracy.

I am talking about the republican party of Bush. I am not concerned with the ups and downs of the Republican party thirty or more years ago. The United States was not in debt during Clinton, though he may have started us down the road of deregulation. The Republican party almost universally puts the government in debt, while the democrats until recently got us out of it.

The republican party will never go "full libertarian", they are cadres of large corporations and the military industrial complex. It is not just Bush. They are not free to change as they please, any more then the democrat party is free to actually challenge them, which it has not. They are puppets with very narrow interests. They are not champions of the "free-market", if anything the democrats are for actually more free-market for not supporting big-business as much. Government spending is not in itself anti "free-market".

DRLHyper Wrote:
Obama installed Socialized Healthcare, increased welfare

No, most of that never got through.

DRLHyper

Triniteras23 Wrote:
I am talking about the republican party of Bush. I am not concerned with the ups and downs of the Republican party thirty or more years ago. The United States was not in debt during Clinton, though he may have started us down the road of deregulation. The Republican party almost universally puts the government in debt, while the democrats until recently got us out of it.

Bush was a recent incident, and he only got that far because the WTC incident happened. I do not think he could have launched an offensive against Iraq if it were not for that.

Triniteras23 Wrote:
The republican party will never go "full libertarian", they are cadres of large corporations and the military industrial complex. It is not just Bush. They are not free to change as they please, any more then the democrat party is free to actually challenge them, which it has not. They are puppets with very narrow interests. They are not champions of the "free-market", if anything the democrats are for actually more free-market for not supporting big-business as much. Government spending is not in itself anti "free-market".

Social Democracies & Socialism create a corrupt enviroment. Therefore, it is no news that the US has Socialist-esque parties, that compete for power and influence.

Between the two, however, the Republicans have a Liberatarian section, as compared to the Democrats who have Socialistic leanings. Thus the Republicans are the lesser evil.

Triniteras23 Wrote:

DRLHyper Wrote:
Obama installed Socialized Healthcare, increased welfare

No, most of that never got through.

It certainly did not, and it is a good thing it did not.

However, he nearly doubled Medicaid/Medicare spending, and increased taxes. He also did increase welfare; specially for the "poor".

DRLHyper Wrote:
Therefore, it is no news that the US has Socialist-esque parties, that compete for power and influence.

Europe has Social Democrat policies. The United States has no social democrat party. Maybe the greens come close.

DRLHyper Wrote:
Between the two, however, the Republicans have a Liberatarian section, as compared to the Democrats who have Socialistic leanings. Thus the Republicans are the lesser evil.

The Republicans would have bailed out the corporations, with the addition of more of the public sector going to these bailed-out monopolies, who are supposedly private-sector according to you, despite being funded by the government.

Triniteras23 Wrote:
However, he nearly doubled Medicaid/Medicare spending, and increased taxes.

Not that I know of. And taxes have to be increased if the deficit is going to be tackled.

back on topic
Katrina revealed Bush's weakness and unpreparedness. He could not handle the catastrophe.
Irene gives Obama the chance to show, that he can do much better.

I expect Obama to win the election 2012 anyway, but what america needs is, that the progressive forces regain the majority in the parliaments.
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