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One of my favourite hobbies is to watch and analyse propaganda throughout the history.
Today I thought "hey, let's have a look at US propaganda" and I was quite surprised how much I found.
Well, I knew that every nation uses propaganda now and then but the extent the USA made use of the media is just amazing.
I think many people are not aware that the nation of freedom of press and speech is an expert in the field of propaganda even though I'm not telling anything new to 9/11 conspiracy believers Zwinker2

Have a look and discuss.
I'll post some more examples and some more of my thoughts regarding them as soon as I have a bit of more time.




youtube description Wrote:
This trippy tribute to our country's 200th birthday was funded by a Bicentennial Project Grant and animated by Vincent Collins who made other psychedelic cartoons. This film was produced by the United States Information Agency -- the government's propaganda agency


Ok, the next one was meant to be a commercial but its still very manipulative:



next we've got another one from the WWII times.
Well, I'm not a supporter of the third Reich as most of you will know, the fight against Nazi Germany did achieve something after all. I know that the war was a "world war", a "total" war which means that it affects all parts of society and I also know that the culture back then was a different one.
However, have a look:
Another Lonney Tune


This was targeted at kids, i.e. fresh soldieres in the near future. Please note how the two sides (America and Nazi Germany) are presented, at their character. Also note that it seems like it is totally easy to play with the foolish enemy (How many men died again on D-Day?)
Manipulating kids for state purposes is according to my personal opinion even at times of a total war morally inacceptable.
It's interesting that all parties involved did the same: the British, the french, the Japanese, the Nazis, the Americans, the Soviets, i.e. everyone.
There are a lot more lonney tunes featuring WWII out there. If you are interested, just have a look.

Now another one from the same time. It's also from the Walt Disney Corporation but this time the video features Dondald Duck:

This time it is very interesting to see what role the Hakenkreuz (swastika) plays. It is absolutely everywhere. Especially in the beginning when the german soldiers are marching. The soldieres themselves are presented in a way kids automatically develop antipathy for.
After the marching it is interesting to see how poor donald lives; the symbols are everywhere in his house, he is not allowed to rest, the soldieres even get into HIS HOUSE. It also needs to be mentioned that the kids associate themselves with Donald. Donald therefore represents the american population and his house the USA.
It is quite obvious to see what might have been the message behind this video: The Nazis are coming and hate everything american. I call this "enemy-development". This is also why the hakenkreuz was shown everywhere.
The importance of a materialist life was also underlined in this example. The "German victim" was shown as a slave who had nothing. No bread, no coffee and work, work, work.
The F├╝hrer was everywhere.
How was life in the US back then? I think the war did also lower the living standards. So another purpose of the cartoon might have been to show the americans how good their live is (by showing them much worse) and that they could lose it all. Walt Disney might have found some inspiration in George Orwell.
It's also interesting that they presented the Nazi economy in the same light like socialism/communism.

Well, it is a well known fact that Walt Disney was an important propaganda partner of the USA in WWII so noone should be surprised about seeing that many examples from that company.

I will put in an example of Nazi-cartoon propaganda for comparison as soon as I find one.


Well, the US-propaganda machinery did obviously not stop after WW II; The Cold War started and somehow the whole American nation developed a fear against communism. Fear within a whole nation does not just appear over night you know.
I found this collection of some american cold war propaganda pieces. The interesting bit starts after ca. 40 seconds:



Next I've got a longer example. It's an old-fashioned TV-program, "teaching" the american viewers about the history of the soviet union.


Compare it with this soviet piece of propaganda titled "American Imperialism". Unfortunately I do neither speak or write nor understand Russian so I hope the translation is acceptable for those of you who do.




PS: I think Triniteras might like this thread. As far as I can see you should be able to contribute something constructive this time Smile

GeneralMangi

Propaganda isn't illegal, I believe it is covered under the first amendment. Propaganda is only as bad as the person's motives who is putting it out there.

GeneralMangi Wrote:
Propaganda isn't illegal, I believe it is covered under the first amendment. Propaganda is only as bad as the person's motives who is putting it out there.


That point of view is interesting. I don't know much about the american legislation and consitution but I still think that propaganda is immoral and inflicts with the right of free thought.

GeneralMangi

Titian Wrote:

GeneralMangi Wrote:
Propaganda isn't illegal, I believe it is covered under the first amendment. Propaganda is only as bad as the person's motives who is putting it out there.


That point of view is interesting. I don't know much about the american legislation and consitution but I still think that propaganda is immoral and inflicts with the right of free thought.


If we didn't know propaganda existed would we have reason to question what governments and enterprises say? Would we just take everything as fact and keep it moving?I think thats an interesting angle to look at it from also.
Also, I dont like when people hate propaganda, it can be used for a positive cause as well. I think propaganda, when it is used correctly, stops us in our tracks and makes us rethink things.
Also, speaking legally, all speech is protected under the first amendment of our constitution unless you are infringing on the public' safety. Basically, you can't yell "FIRE!" in a crowded movie theater when there isn't a fire, that would cause a panic and lead to problems in itself. But, for example, I can sit in Times Square and yell that the holocaust never happened and nothing at all can happen to me, I can yell racial slurs and also meet no legal problems ( you might get your ass kicked though). On a side note that is why I really love my country, we can pretty much say whatever the hell we want with no legal repercussions and we still keep it pretty calm and respectful.
Interesting fact though, I believe Goebbels said he learned propaganda from Woodrow Wilson.
Woodrow Wilson was a democrat and a U.S President in the early 1900's and in my own opinion a pretty horrible man, he created the first 'propaganda department', the Committee on Public Information, read more HERE.
I know you think it inflicts with free thought, but in my opinion it encourages more thought because it confronts you with statements that may or may not sit well with you.
I know in Europe on cigarettes the packs say some pretty explicit things and now they want to put images of cancerous lungs, thats propaganda as well. It's not true that if you smoke one pack you will die but if it stops people from smoking, it is still a good thing.

There are two types of propaganda; For example propaganda to go to hospitals to donated blood (good propaganda), propaganda to support the patriot act (bad propaganda).

GeneralMangi

Helsworth Wrote:
There are two types of propaganda; For example propaganda to go to hospitals to donated blood (good propaganda), propaganda to support the patriot act (bad propaganda).

OK, here we go. Look the real propaganda in the U.S on television programming and in movies is all aimed at producing pressure to accept liberal thinking. This is true, and that is propaganda intended to give more weight to a certain type of thinking, leftist thinking.
The weapons of choice for these propagandists are: POLITICAL CORRECTNESS and CONTROL OF THE MEDIA.
Say something they dont like and you are a racist, a bigot, a homophobic prejudice douche bag or a fascist.
But still, the agenda opposed to liberal thinking lives on. So I would say I prefer a crowd split into liberal and conservative compared to a crowd split into quit and loud. Because in one of those scenarios lies democracy and in the other lies tyranny.

Helsworth Wrote:
There are two types of propaganda; For example propaganda to go to hospitals to donated blood (good propaganda), propaganda to support the patriot act (bad propaganda).

Splitting everything into good and bad is not useful for analysis. Both of these actions simply empower different, or sometimes the same people.

GeneralMangi Wrote:
OK, here we go. Look the real propaganda in the U.S on television programming and in movies is all aimed at producing pressure to accept liberal thinking.

That's just because the United States government is going for chaos and turmoil rather then persecution. Going for persecution would shrink the country too much. The government does not have a political position, it does anything that gives it power.

GeneralMangi Wrote:
Say something they dont like and you are a racist, a bigot, a homophobic prejudice douche bag or a fascist.

Are your positions racist?

GeneralMangi Wrote:
It's not true that if you smoke one pack you will die but if it stops people from smoking, it is still a good thing.

Why? Weren't you just talking about freedom a moment ago? Putting images on the cartons takes money which is passed on to you.

Rising Phoenix

You may also be interested in this one. It has a less comical tone than the Donald one, and is somewhat more explicit:

Rising Phoenix Wrote:
You may also be interested in this one. It has a less comical tone than the Donald one, and is somewhat more explicit

I liked the Hitler knight, but the lack of Donald Duck is profoundly disappointing.

@General Mangi
You should be sick of liberal hypocrisy. You can't seriously say that the democrat thinking is tyrannical and the republican thinking is democratical.
The difference between these two political groups is one of form not of essence.
@Trini
Propaganda is a tool, it can be used for good things or for not so good thing, hence good propaganda/bad propaganda.

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