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Between this quarter and the last, my economy shrunk by more than 25%. The tasks from that quarter, Maternity and Adult Education, were solved in a reasonable manner that did not cause negative economic growth when resolved in my other state using the same task options. This is after an earlier period in which my GDP halved in a few turns.

Is this a bug? How does one go from positive or weak negative growth to total economic collapse without any major reforms? There hasn't been a steady slide into the negatives; I've been between -5% and +10% each quarter since the last collapse.

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28.05.2014 20:12
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Economy growth 28.43% this quarter. No action last quarter. Bugs?

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-15.05% the following quarter. One task option resolved in a way that might explain this... except it should only negatively impact my exports, which couldn't go any lower anyways.

I know that given enough time some of the templates start suffering from persistent bugs. Is that the case here?

29.05.2014 21:05
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Madagascar Wrote:
-15.05% the following quarter. One task option resolved in a way that might explain this... except it should only negatively impact my exports, which couldn't go any lower anyways.

I know that given enough time some of the templates start suffering from persistent bugs. Is that the case here?

Yes. Basically, all template states can go haywire over the long run by drastic fiscal changes, task options, and the higher tier reforms. But the smaller templates are a lot more erratic than the big ones, such as the US, Germany, and the UK.


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Has a reliable way to deal with this been discovered? Buggy or not, I would like to try to manage my state until its regent is forced out.

The template in question is Developing Country. My Fundamentalist state, a template which I believe is also supposed to be buggy, hasn't had these sort of problems yet.

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Has a reliable way to deal with this been discovered? Buggy or not, I would like to try to manage my state until its regent is forced out.

The template in question is Developing Country. My Fundamentalist state, a template which I believe is also supposed to be buggy, hasn't had these sort of problems yet.

You can try to implement protectionism to gain a big trade surplus.


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RE: Borderline Impossible Negative Economic Growth (Bug?)

Well, you're still in the game. One of the next game changes will be the better adjustment of project cost to the state classes. That should help in such cases.


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Afraid not. Somehow went from ~25-30% extremists to a whopping 82% between quarters. Percentage backing me in the elections fell from 51% to 5%. Popularity from 2 to -18.27. Ironically, this all happened when economic growth was above 5% (though with strong deflation) and net incomes hit an all-time high.

Who would have thought the people felt so strongly about nutrition...

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Afraid not. Somehow went from ~25-30% extremists to a whopping 82% between quarters. Percentage backing me in the elections fell from 51% to 5%. Popularity from 2 to -18.27. Ironically, this all happened when economic growth was above 5% (though with strong deflation) and net incomes hit an all-time high.

Who would have thought the people felt so strongly about nutrition...

You booted out creationism in favor of evolutionism, while having a 60% religiousness index in your population. The more laic or atheistical task options you chose, the less popular you'll become in a state which has a high religion index. But since that happened in Madagascar, and you're talking about Mongolia - yes, that's a bug for sure. You will not survive, I'm afraid.


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Actually, that was the other task option I resolved in Mongolia. However, that state only has a 26 for religion. Even if that 26% of the population turned extremist from non-extremist last turn, that still leaves another 30% of the population that turned extremist as well.

Not sure if this is meaningful, but I just realized most made the jump from content, not unhappy. I think it was about 5% that were unhappy before last quarter.

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