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Civil Rights and Happiness

I want to suggest a review of the calculation of the Happiness index. I don't think it is realistic to have a very high overall happiness if civil rights are basically non existent, as is currently the case in Birago (90 and 9).

03.03.2018 13:47
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RE: Civil Rights and Happiness

This does not necessarily contradict each other. Taking a real life example, the United Arab Emirates are listed on rank 21 on the World Happiness Report from 2017, even before countries like France, Spain and Japan. Nonetheless, the UAE is considered "not free" with respect to civil liberties. Here, and in similar statistics, it ranks very poorly.

If you check out the top ten happiest nations on Ars Regendi, you will find that the majority of them have a very high civil rights index. The fact that few states/regents manage to have low civil rights index, but an overall high happiness, is therefore very realistic in my eyes.


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RE: Civil Rights and Happiness

I'm not saying high happiness necessarily needs high civil rights values. In the case of the UAE a ranking in the bottom 30% in civil rights is offset by being 7th in GDP/capita worldwide among other things. But Birago ranks bottom 3% in civil rights in AR -- that's not UAE level, that's North Corea, Somalia and Syria level -- and is nowhere near first world prosperity.

I still think that if an important parameter for happiness (income, health, freedom, security) comes close to zero, significant happiness is not possible anymore. It's the principle of "abnehmender Grenznutzen" (don't know the english term).

And another point: I don't know any happy people ("Völker") where the civil rights have been taken away recently. You may be happy if you never had them and don't know how it feels to be free, but I don't think you will any longer once you had the freedom that is now taken away. And even Iran-Templates start with a significant higher civil rights index than Birago now has.

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The situation of pensioners and poor people extremely improved within the last 20 years. No more starvation, no more hunger deaths, no more absolute poverty. Why shouldn't the people be very happy Noplan


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RE: Civil Rights and Happiness

TheLastShah Wrote:
The situation of pensioners and poor people extremely improved within the last 20 years. No more starvation, no more hunger deaths, no more absolute poverty. Why shouldn't the people be very happy Noplan


I can show you plenty of AR-States where the people were lifted out of extreme poverty without happiness soaring to record breaking hights. Must have been the higher civil rights index in those States that held them back.

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RE: Civil Rights and Happiness

Well, Shah and Proper already gave a plausible answer. Of course in the formula system any decrease of the civil rights decreases the happyness, but there are a lot of other influences which can increase the happyness nevertheless.


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RE: Civil Rights and Happiness

Declaring rights doesn't make any sense. Practically implementing it is important.

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