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chad7405
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Government Coup

Off topic question that can tell a lot about character: If you had the means and opportunity to overthrow any government and take over, which country would you want and how would you run it? I know I'm from here and it's the most common response, but I would want the USA because it has so much potential and I want to set it straight again with decent policies and a strong economy. If that's too obvious, my second would be Canada. Lots of land and resources, great people, and healthy system already in place. I'm not a socialist but I could make it work. I'm curious to see what other people say! GrooveJaja

26.02.2014 01:57
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I'd pick Israel. I'd incorporate Palestine in the country's body. I'd give property back to former natives who were expropriated and forced out. I'd change the "jewish state" into a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic, bi-lingual, and laic one.
I'd commit fiscal policy to achieve full employment and price stability, and I'd start peace-talk negotiations with former "axe of evil" countries, aka Iran, by making the first step towards honest intentions. Namely, by signing the non-proliferation treaty and scraping the entire nuclear arsenal of the country.

Of course, in order to avoid being assassinated by israeli extremists, I'd have to practically live and do politics from a bunker; and live a single's live, or move my whole family there as well. Wink


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The U.S.A.. Seize the country with the military when it is internally weak, then re-organize it into the first, functional Technocracy government. No more imperialism. No more poverty. Much more awesomeness. Greatness.

26.02.2014 12:15
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I would overthrow the United States of America. I would dissolve the federal government, and allow the states to form into independent republics.


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26.02.2014 17:14
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I would take over North Korea and allow the two koreas to reunify and end all the civil rights abuses happening there. I think it would be geat if families separated by the war could see each other again permanently and not just under reunions authorized by north korea.

On a side note, if all the us states became independent republics I would leave the americas and never come back. It would become a war zone and poverty would skyrocket as the economy completely crashed.

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thepresidentmaN Wrote:
On a side note, if all the us states became independent republics I would leave the americas and never come back. It would become a war zone and poverty would skyrocket as the economy completely crashed.

I'd follow your example, bro, and move out as well. I don't know if it would be a war zone, but it would be a lot more screwed up than it was in Europe, after WW2. Just imagine 50 different currencies springing up; no surplus recycling system. And currency depreciation as the nr 1 key to obtain competitive advantage.
As for unifying Korea, that's more or less a simple thing to do. You just have to convince China and the USA to agree to such a policy. Korea itself is just a geostrategic buffer zone between the two powers.


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26.02.2014 20:46
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lemme think...
the universe?....

nonononono!

the universe AND the rest!Pfeif


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26.02.2014 23:45
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chad7405
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Helsworth Wrote:
I'd pick Israel. I'd incorporate Palestine in the country's body. I'd give property back to former natives who were expropriated and forced out. I'd change the "jewish state" into a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic, bi-lingual, and laic one.
I'd commit fiscal policy to achieve full employment and price stability, and I'd start peace-talk negotiations with former "axe of evil" countries, aka Iran, by making the first step towards honest intentions. Namely, by signing the non-proliferation treaty and scraping the entire nuclear arsenal of the country.

Of course, in order to avoid being assassinated by israeli extremists, I'd have to practically live and do politics from a bunker; and live a single's live, or move my whole family there as well. Wink

That's an interesting thought and a smart idea, but it's impossible. The Arabs and Palestinians are hell bent for shoe-leather to destroy the Israelis. It has nothing to do with the land or their being "cheated", and everything to do with simply wanting to kill the Jews and Israelis. Even if you gave Palestine rights and government control and all that good stuff, they would use it as a weapon against you. Even if you made deals with Arab neighbors, they'd let you get weakened when you carry out your end of the bargain then try to kill you when they see convenient. I don't care what anyone says or what the liberal media spews at everyone, Israel can't have negotiations with the neighbors and certainly not the Palestinians. It's like Wile.E.Coyote and Roadrunner, they just want to 'catch' Israel but have no idea what to do after that. It's not political nor geographical it's a sick and twisted religious cult practice to kill the Jews, no different than the Nazis. The only difference is now the Jews have a stronghold and can defend ourselves to a fair degree. People like you (not derogatory just making a point) forget that Israel was founded to be THE JEWISH STATE. That wasn't a coincidence, it rose from WW2 and anti-semetism and persecution that finally settled and we got what we wanted: our homeland back. Helsworth, we have negotiated. We let them have their stupid dome of the rock, Gaza, Sinai, 1,000's of P.O.W.'s back, and countless other pacts that got us our troops killed and tortured, riots, terrorist bombings and of course, on the holiday we mourn the loss of our holy temple the Muslims gather on the other side and hold parties. That's not negotiation, that's sick. While I see your point and respect your views, I would like to challenge that claim with the logic shown and the fact that Israel will never become un-Jewish; We got it, and we're keeping it. I believe in secularism and progressivism and humanism and the like, but this is one issue i won't budge on. Israel is ours, has been ours, and will be ours.

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I'm sorry, bro. But western imperialism created Israel. Jews lived there well before zionism became a nationalist-religious movement, in peace with their christian and muslim counter parts.
My belief is that zionism IS racism. Kazarian jews are NOT the jews from biblical times. So the argument of "ancestral homeland" or birthright falls flat on its ass. http://www.albalagh.net/current_affairs/...cism.shtml
The issue IS about land and resources. Under the british mandate, millions of illegal european migrants settled that region. The domestic population didn't have a vote on this issue. The empire gave them a free hand, promised the land to both sides - then in an unprecedent stance in history, the british simply withdrew. In the end, might made right.

Also, here's a quote I like by Shlomo Sand:
“This attempt to justify Zionism through genetics is reminiscent of the procedures of late nineteenth-century anthropologists who very scientifically set out to discover the specific characteristics of Europeans. As of today, no study based on anonymous DNA samples has succeeded in identifying a genetic marker specific to Jews, and it is not likely that any study ever will. It is a bitter irony to see the descendants of Holocaust survivors set out to find a biological Jewish identity: Hitler would certainly have been very pleased! And it is all the more repulsive that this kind of research should be conducted in a state that has waged for years a declared policy of “Judaization of the country” in which even today a Jew is not allowed to marry a non-Jew.”


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27.02.2014 00:39
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chad7405
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Helsworth Wrote:
I'm sorry, bro. But western imperialism created Israel.

Everyone knows that. Israel is it's own state now. The U.N. does nothing to help ever and it's only the U.S. that does, and they weren't even part of the original agreement directly. And it's a fallacy that the Jews were living in peace with their neighbors. The Israeli defense forces were created to stop Arab violence against their communities under British rule.

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Jews lived there well before zionism became a nationalist-religious movement, in peace with their christian and muslim counter parts.
My belief is that zionism IS racism. Kazarian jews are NOT the jews from biblical times. So the argument of "ancestral homeland" or birthrate falls flat on its ass.

There wasn't peace. And you're referring to radical extreme Zionism which is a load of fascist shit, even i know that. The Zionism today created by Theodore Herzl is about having a Jewish state. That's not racist, Jews aren't a race! We're a religion and we live in peace with other religions and all races, but the reality is others hate us and we adjust. And you using an obviously biased website is further proof to my previous statement about a biased media seeing what it wants to.
   

Helsworth Wrote:
The issue IS about land and resources. Under the british mandate, millions of illegal european migrants settled that region. The domestic population didn't have a vote on this issue. The empire gave them a free hand, promised the land to both sides - then in an unprecedent stance in history, the british simply withdrew. In the end, might made right.

You're looking at it from a purely European and Western view, which is ok, but that's not the underlying issue and we're arguing different things.

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Also, here's a quote I like by Shlomo Sand:
“This attempt to justify Zionism through genetics is reminiscent of the procedures of late nineteenth-century anthropologists who very scientifically set out to discover the specific characteristics of Europeans. As of today, no study based on anonymous DNA samples has succeeded in identifying a genetic marker specific to Jews, and it is not likely that any study ever will. It is a bitter irony to see the descendants of Holocaust survivors set out to find a biological Jewish identity: Hitler would certainly have been very pleased! And it is all the more repulsive that this kind of research should be conducted in a state that has waged for years a declared policy of “Judaization of the country” in which even today a Jew is not allowed to marry a non-Jew.”

It's not the same thing at all, and everyone feels a genetic or biological identity to something, whether that be a religion political party or country. Also, this so-called "Judaization" is a fallacy; it has freedom of religion and secular policies, but it is and always will be a Jewish state and people need to come to terms with that. Also, one last thing, the Jews aren't allowed to marry non-Jews for religious reasons; they do it in America,Europe and Israel. Some do, most don't because it's a pillar of the faith, the faith that is the center of the State! you can't blame Israel for people's religious views within the country, that's "coincidental" to a degree. I think we're arguing two different things to begin with though and that's why there's such a gap in understanding.

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