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Most democratic civilization

What is yo[/b]ur vote for the most democratic civilization in history?

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RE: Most democratic civilization

I just know, that I know just too less to answer this question.Noplan


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RE: Most democratic civilization

Anarchist Catalonia, Pre-Roman Germany, Pagan Vikings, Celts ... seriously, loads of Native American options, but these left out? I take it from the choices that you are american?


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RE: Most democratic civilization

Depends how you define democratic in a sense, some might see it as people having free will in the ruling of their nation which in this case would be the soviet union in its early years however if you mean having a say in decision making then my guess is that the USA has that with the ammount of voting citizens get on simple resolutions and decisions, saying that the decisions made are often created by complete idiots or self orientated individuals.

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RE: Most democratic civilization

it might sound a bit weird, but I believe that it is the sardines;
they swim as a group but don't have any leaders. The direction they swim is determined by the whole group and where the most fodder can be found. They don't say "hey, we don't like you, you'll get eaten" when a shark comes but every single one of them has the same chance granted by the group.
They don't fight each other over personal power and privileges (ok, I'm not too sure about this when it comes to breeding; I'm not what some would call a biologist).
No one is left out, everyone of them can join or leave the swarm.

Sort of funny, that it is us, the humans, who put them into cans with tomatoe sauce Sad

PS: why did you exclude athens and the roman empire whilst including the spartans?


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RE: Most democratic civilization

DarthV1 Wrote:
Depends how you define democratic in a sense, some might see it as people having free will in the ruling of their nation which in this case would be the soviet union in its early years however if you mean having a say in decision making then my guess is that the USA has that with the ammount of voting citizens get on simple resolutions and decisions, saying that the decisions made are often created by complete idiots or self orientated individuals.

LOL Lenin was a pathological opportunist who couldn't care less about the people or ideology.

Onward with the thread's pole I voted others the spanish comune.


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RE: Most democratic civilization

Yes, I am an American with my American biases. Catalonia is actually a really good answer, except wasn't it effectively controlled by the GPU for most of the period of civil war? I didn't include the Romans, Celts, or Germans because I thought they were less plausible than the choices I chose ... I did include Athens, right after Sparta on the list.

My own subjectively determined top ten:
1) Paris commune
2) USSR
3) Catalonia (thanks there)
4) Cuba
5) revolutionary Nicaragua
6) revolutionary Algeria
7) Igbo village democracies
8) United States (Reconstruction era)
9) Creek & Muskogean village democracies
10) First Republic (France)

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ernesteverhard Wrote:
Catalonia is actually a really good answer, except wasn't it effectively controlled by the GPU for most of the period of civil war?

The stalinists/liberals attacked and destroyed anarchist spain before Francos victory, but they were never in control while the anarchist organsations still existed.

Pre-Roman Germany was much more democratic than most native american societies. The Celts and Vikings were far more democratic than the Incas or Olmecs (and certainly the Spartans!).


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RE: Most democratic civilization

Helsworth Wrote:

DarthV1 Wrote:
Depends how you define democratic in a sense, some might see it as people having free will in the ruling of their nation which in this case would be the soviet union in its early years however if you mean having a say in decision making then my guess is that the USA has that with the ammount of voting citizens get on simple resolutions and decisions, saying that the decisions made are often created by complete idiots or self orientated individuals.

LOL Lenin was a pathological opportunist who couldn't care less about the people or ideology.

Onward with the thread's pole I voted others the spanish comune.

But he is correct, it depends on how you define Democracy.

Representative? Direct? And what about Democratic Republics...?

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RE: Most democratic civilization

Rising Phoenix Wrote:

Helsworth Wrote:

DarthV1 Wrote:
Depends how you define democratic in a sense, some might see it as people having free will in the ruling of their nation which in this case would be the soviet union in its early years however if you mean having a say in decision making then my guess is that the USA has that with the ammount of voting citizens get on simple resolutions and decisions, saying that the decisions made are often created by complete idiots or self orientated individuals.

LOL Lenin was a pathological opportunist who couldn't care less about the people or ideology.

Onward with the thread's pole I voted others the spanish comune.

But he is correct, it depends on how you define Democracy.

Representative? Direct? And what about Democratic Republics...?

Well Lenin's methods were based on coercion and double standard.


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