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How did Ars Regendi influence you? - Unkas - 03.04.2010 15:24

In this poll we would like to find out in which way Ars Regendi influenced your attitude towards politics and economics. That is really important for us to know, as Ars Regendi was mainly created with the ideal to make people at least think about politics and economics.

Wir möchten in Erfahrung bringen, ob und in welcher Weise Ars Regendi eure politische und wirtschaftliche Haltung beeinflusst hat. Das ist sehr wichtig für uns, da Ars Regendi hauptsächlich mit der Intention geschaffen wurde, die Leute zum Nachdenken über Politik und Wirtschaft anzuregen.


RE: How did Ars Regendi influence you? - Schwarzer_Abt - 04.04.2010 01:47

AR didn't make a new human out of me but at least I made some very good acquaintances here Smile


RE: How did Ars Regendi influence you? - Sigrun Makinen - 04.04.2010 14:29

I already roleplayed as a nation in an RP site, and it was amusing to see some Tasks actually having the option available of what i had thought out for my state.

The opposite is of course also true, as there are some things from here i'd consider using there as well. In all, it confirmed most of my views and added a couple of interesting avenues to walk through -- which was exactly the intention i had by signing up here to make a mirror image of my RP nation ^^


RE: How did Ars Regendi influence you? - Razick - 08.03.2014 03:19

One thing it did teach me is how useful inflation can be for dealing with debt. Although normally I consider inflation to be theft, if the government is upfront about it, it can be a fair, broad based alternative to direct taxes. It's the only tax that can actually, be good for the economy short term. In other words, I don't like inflation but it can be a way to reduce the short term pain of a debt reduction plan.

Also, if the government was to then build a surplus, it would then have an incentive to increase interest rates and stabilize the currency to maintain the value of the surplus and maximize interest revenue.


RE: How did Ars Regendi influence you? - Helsworth - 08.03.2014 10:41

Razick Wrote:
One thing it did teach me is how useful inflation can be for dealing with debt. Although normally I consider inflation to be theft, if the government is upfront about it, it can be a fair, broad based alternative to direct taxes. It's the only tax that can actually, be good for the economy short term. In other words, I don't like inflation but it can be a way to reduce the short term pain of a debt reduction plan.

Also, if the government was to then build a surplus, it would then have an incentive to increase interest rates and stabilize the currency to maintain the value of the surplus and maximize interest revenue.

Razick, this knowledge is useless, because your premise and conclusion are all wrong. First, the government debt doesn't serve the purpose of "financing" public spend. Second, government taxation doesn't serve the purpose of "financing" public spending.
Second, inflation is not always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon.
Third, monetary policy doesn't impact inflation. Fiscal policy does.
The government deficit equals the net surplus of the nongovernment sector in a given fiscal year. The government is supposed to run fiscal deficits, in order to accomodate for private sector's desire to net save. The government sector is the only sector able to run deficits without going bankrupt. Because a government with monetary sovereignty is NOT a household.
It's basic double-entry bookkeeping: (S-I)+(G-T)+(X-M)=0
Unlearn everything you thought you knew about economics (like I did), and learn about MMT to understand how a free-floating nonconvertible fiat regime really works. I warn you, however, the truth shall leave you frustrated for as long as you live.
I recommend these three vids as a start-up:



On the third vid, skip over the first part; because the first speaker's audio is kinda screwed up.


RE: How did Ars Regendi influence you? - TyPin - 08.03.2014 12:17

Just a comment to my vote:
There was the option to check "It is responsible that I'll change my vote in the next elections". My though, reading this, was that ARS-Regendi is partly responsible that I do not vote at all. The reason for that is the following. I have engaged in more political discussions in real life since I play AR and have done a lot of research. One of them being that the german superior court has ruled in the summer of 2012 that the voting law since 1959 (if I remember right) is unconstitutional... the other reason being that I simply have no idea who to vote for. As I didn't understand so much about politics, I voted. Now that I actually read their porgrams, follow the discussions and statements, I can not choose which party is not as bad as the others. I figure, no one stands out worthy of being elected imho... very sad...


RE: How did Ars Regendi influence you? - Helsworth - 08.03.2014 12:32

@TyPin
After all the past frustrations and betrayals, I'll never ever vote again for one party or the other. It's just not worth it, and we're only contributing to a corrupt machine which seeks to alienate everyone; in order to achieve its own ends.



RE: How did Ars Regendi influence you? - TyPin - 08.03.2014 13:27

Yeah, George Carlin. I love him. He could pinpoint and present flaws in the system simply and straight forward (although sometimes he is a bit too simple Wink)


RE: How did Ars Regendi influence you? - Helsworth - 08.03.2014 14:06

TyPin Wrote:
Yeah, George Carlin. I love him. He could pinpoint and present flaws in the system simply and straight forward (although sometimes he is a bit too simple Wink)

George Carlin, while not being an economist, understood so well the purpose of the NAIRU (non-accelerating inflation rate of unemployment); he understood the purpose of an unemployed buffer stock of labor.



RE: How did Ars Regendi influence you? - Sylence - 13.06.2015 12:19

Thank you Unkas&Co for putting this question as I totally agree with the ideal you describe.

I voted, a o, both for "learned a lot" and "learned a bit". The amount I've learned perhaps is somewhere between a "lot" and a "bit" Smile But most essentially I want to make a remark about "learning"...
Particularly the value of the game is how it incites to and offers a framework for posing relevant questions concerning economics and politics.
This is as it ought to be. Schools teach naked answers to questions never posed and this is useless. What has value is the questions we pose - an answer will sooner or later arrive. What answer we receive is a function of the question we found. It's in developing the question the real work is laid down. A good game can be regarded as a good question!
As such it is not only a question of learning about the real world from the game, but it is also thought-provoking concerning how well the game simulates the real world.
Therefore the forum discussion is an essential part of the package.
(Helsworth is a treasure! He brings a task to understand what he is talking about and then to find out whether I agree with him or no.)


RE: How did Ars Regendi influence you? - Helsworth - 13.06.2015 12:44

Sylence Wrote:
Thank you Unkas&Co for putting this question as I totally agree with the ideal you describe.

I voted, a o, both for "learned a lot" and "learned a bit". The amount I've learned perhaps is somewhere between a "lot" and a "bit" Smile But most essentially I want to make a remark about "learning"...
Particularly the value of the game is how it incites to and offers a framework for posing relevant questions concerning economics and politics.
This is as it ought to be. Schools teach naked answers to questions never posed and this is useless. What has value is the questions we pose - an answer will sooner or later arrive. What answer we receive is a function of the question we found. It's in developing the question the real work is laid down. A good game can be regarded as a good question!
As such it is not only a question of learning about the real world from the game, but it is also thought-provoking concerning how well the game simulates the real world.
Therefore the forum discussion is an essential part of the package.
(Helsworth is a treasure! He brings a task to understand what he is talking about and then to find out whether I agree with him or no.)


Thanks, Sylence.
I resisted a little bit at first the arguments offered by MMT. But then, after I understood that it was all basic double-entry bookkeeping & laws/penalties that enforced the rules (used for good or ill) - it all became clear & I became a deficit owl. Believe me, it's a frustrating existence. You find yourself amidst the ranks of the insane & you try to escape them... but the reality & (false) debates always bring you back; and once more you try to tell people about the other 1/2 of the balance sheet.


RE: How did Ars Regendi influence you? - Ajay Alcos - 12.08.2015 16:47

Ars Regendi has made me more pragmatic and humble in regard to social issues, and has granted me a greater and more deeper understanding of the way society works; economically and socially. In regard to the discussions, they have inspired me as but a human being to preach to others the necessity of analytical, empirical and unadulterated scepticism when it comes to dealing with politics.


RE: How did Ars Regendi influence you? - Malone - 12.08.2015 17:12

Smile may I cite that here? https://www.facebook.com/arsregendi


RE: How did Ars Regendi influence you? - dragonflare88 - 25.08.2015 18:34

It has made me more involved in politics and more open in debated social issues. Before I played this game, I had no idea what to say to someone if they asked of my political standing, now I do. Cool


RE: How did Ars Regendi influence you? - Blue Wizard - 30.08.2015 17:33

Fellow Players:

My experience with A-R has prompted me to support more nationalistic policies.

Cheers,

-Jay


RE: How did Ars Regendi influence you? - Edvard Kardelj - 01.09.2015 23:10

It hasn't.

These days we live in an age of marketing. Every small thing, no matter how insignificant, is sold to us as being Epic! Life-Changing! The Most Stupendous Thing Ever!

Well, fuck you. The truth is, hype turns me off. Just present your product honestly, as a fun diversion, and stop trying o tell me how it's going to alter the course of my existence. I don't want to be advertised to.


RE: How did Ars Regendi influence you? - Helsworth - 02.09.2015 09:20

Edvard Kardelj Wrote:
It hasn't.

These days we live in an age of marketing. Every small thing, no matter how insignificant, is sold to us as being Epic! Life-Changing! The Most Stupendous Thing Ever!

Well, fuck you. The truth is, hype turns me off. Just present your product honestly, as a fun diversion, and stop trying o tell me how it's going to alter the course of my existence. I don't want to be advertised to.

Well, to be fair, Ars-Regendi doesn't practice such advertising - it's not like EA. Happy


RE: How did Ars Regendi influence you? - Edvard Kardelj - 02.09.2015 13:36

Edvard Kardelj Wrote:
Well, to be fair, Ars-Regendi doesn't practice such advertising - it's not like EA. Happy


And for that I am grateful Smile