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The Christians don't have to apologise if I'm a dumbass. ''Provocative posts will be shut down''. Is this a provocative thread? This thread started as me evangelising, but of course people attacked me and the thread turned into an argument about Christianity. If sega convinces me that Islam is a religion of peace, I'll apologise. But until then, I have a right to feel uncomfortable around Muhammad's followers.

You started spreading the gospel of "I hate muslims, because I hate Islam." Though of course you tried to use that sophist logic of, "I love homosexuals, but I hate homosexuality."
The logical value of such statement is pure 0. It's irrational. Cause it's like saying, "I love murder, I just hate murderers."
Naturally, people picked up on the bigotry and all the other bs and called you out for it.
You should ask yourself if other people (women, muslims, christians, people of other faiths, and atheists alike) would feel comfortable around you... given the fact that you're a homophobic and religious bigot.


The argument 'I hate murder but love murderers' works. My proof? I've done it, my brother got angry and destroyed my stuff, I hated that he did that, but I still loved my brother. Also people have the right to feel uncomfortable around me, I don't mind.

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RE: Szogun's Bible school-Bibelschule

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The argument 'I hate murder but love murderers' works. My proof? I've done it, my brother got angry and destroyed my stuff, I hated that he did that, but I still loved my brother. Also people have the right to feel uncomfortable around me, I don't mind.

Your're comparing murder, torture, and rape with someone stealing your toys and breaking your power ranger figures? Grow up, kid and spare us the "I hate, but I love" stance. It's irrational and you're talking out of your ass, like always. And if you don't mind that people feel uncomfortable around you; that means you don't care about being a good presence. "I don't mind being a nuisance, I quite like it," said szogun, scowling at the LGBT center on his left, the Mosque at his right, and smiling at the recently incarcerated mass murderer before him. For after all, szogun loves all and everyone. He is emulating Christ, you know. Go outside and play... you just might live a little.


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All from King James Bible

Lesson 3: Genesis 3

1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden,
3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
Die means go to hell (unless you repent).
4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman.
5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
Satan tricked them, and humanity is cursed with sin
7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man, “Where are you?”
10 He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.”
11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”
12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
AKA humanity is screwed.
13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
14 So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,

“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.”
God wants no relation with Satan. Satan has 'your offspring' the offspring of Satan, and woman has 'hers', referring to the virgin Mary. Mary's offspring (Jesus Christ) crushes Satan's head, AKA pays the full penalty for sin, and Satan only bruises Jesus' heel, the crucifixion, which in the end does nothing to Jesus.
16 To the woman he said,

“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’

“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”
20 Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.

21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

Here we are on Earth...

THE END

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Alle von King -James-Bibel

Lektion 3: Genesis 3

1 Und die Schlange war listiger als alle wilden Tiere Gott der Herr gemacht hatte. Er sagte zu der Frau: " Hat Gott wirklich gesagt :, Du sollst nicht essen von allen Bäumen im Garten ?"
2 Die Frau sagte zu der Schlange: "Wir können Früchte von den Bäumen im Garten essen,
3, aber Gott hat gesagt :, Du sollst nicht essen Obst vom Baum , der in der Mitte des Gartens ist , und Sie dürfen sich nicht berühren , oder Sie werden sterben. ' "
Die Mittel zur Hölle fahren ( wenn ihr nicht umkehrt ) .
4 " Sie werden sicher nicht sterben", sagte die Schlange zur Frau.
5 " Denn Gott weiß, dass , wenn Sie davon essen eure Augen aufgetan, und ihr werdet wie Gott und erkennt Gut und Böse. "
6 Als die Frau sah, dass die Frucht vom Baum gut zu essen wäre und angenehm für die Augen , aber auch für die Gewinnung Weisheit wünschenswert , nahm sie etwas aus und aß es . Sie gab auch ihrem Mann, der bei ihr war , und er aß.
Satan überlistet sie, und die Menschheit wird mit der Sünde verflucht
7. Dann werden die Augen der beiden von ihnen wurden geöffnet, und sie erkannten, dass sie nackt waren, so dass sie hefteten Feigenblätterzusammen und machten Beläge für sich.
8 Und der Mann und seine Frau hörte Gottes, des Herrn , als er im Garten in der Kühle des Tages zu Fuß , und sie vom Herrn Gott verborgen zwischen den Bäumen des Gartens. 9 Aber Gott der Herr rief Adam : "Wo bist du?"
10 Er antwortete: " Ich habe gehört, Sie im Garten, und ich hatte Angst , weil ich nackt war , so verbarg ich . "
11 Und er sagte: " Wer hat dir gesagt , dass du nackt bist? Hast du von dem Baum , den ich euch befohlen , nicht vom Essen gegessen? "
12 Der Mann sagte: "Die Frau, die Sie setzen hier bei mir , sie gab mir von dem Baum , und ich aß. "
Alias ​​Menschheit eingeschraubt ist.
13 Da sprach Gott der HERR zum Weibe: " Was hast du getan? "
Die Frau sagte: " Die Schlange betrog mich , und ich aß . "
14 Da sprach Gott der HERR zu der Schlange: "Weil du das getan hast,

" Verflucht sind Sie vor allem Vieh
und alle wilden Tiere!
Sie werden auf dem Bauch kriechen
und Sie werden Staub essen
alle Tage deines Lebens.
15 Und ich will Feindschaft setzen
zwischen Ihnen und der Frau,
und zwischen deinem Nachkommen und ihrem Nachkommen ;
er wird dir den Kopf zertreten ,
und du wirst ihn in die Ferse stechen . "
Gott will keine Beziehung mit Satan . Satan hat ' deine Nachkommen " die Nachkommen von Satan , und die Frau hat ' ihr ' , die sich auf die Jungfrau Maria. Mary Nachkommen (Jesus Christus) zermalmt den Kopf des Satans , AKA zahlt die volle Strafe für die Sünde und Satan Jesus ' Ferse, die Kreuzigung , die am Ende tut nichts, um Jesus nur Prellungen .
16 Zur Frau sagte er,

" Ich werde deine Schmerzen im gebärfähigen sehr schwer machen ;
mit schmerzhaften Arbeits Sie Kinder gebären .
Ihr Verlangen soll nach deinem Manne sein,
und er wird über dich herrschen . "
17 Zu Adam sprach er: " Weil du auf deine Frau gehört und gegessen von dem Baum , von dem ich dir geboten habe, " Sie dürfen nicht davon essen '

" Verflucht ist der Ackerboden deinetwegen ;
durch Mühsal Sie Lebensmittel aus es zu essen
alle Tage deines Lebens.
18 Es wird Dornen und Disteln für Sie zu produzieren ,
und Sie werden die Pflanzen des Feldes essen.
19 Im Schweiße deines Angesichts
Sie werden Ihre Nahrung zu essen
, bis du wieder zu Erde zurückkehren,
da von ihm wurden Sie aufgenommen ;
Denn du bist Erde
und zum Staub wirst du zurückkehren. "
20 Adam nannte sein Weib Eva , denn sie wurde die Mutter aller Lebenden werden sollte.

21 Gott, der Herr Kleidungsstücke von Haut für Adam und seine Frau und zog sie ihnen an . 22 Und Gott der Herr sagte: "Der Mensch ist geworden wie einer von uns werden wissen, was gut und böse ist. Er darf nicht zu erreichen, seine Hand und breche auch von dem Baum des Lebens und esse und lebe ewiglich. " 23 Und der Herr, Gott verbannte ihn aus dem Garten Eden , den Boden , von dem er genommen war . 24 Nachdem er trieb den Menschen aus , auf der Ostseite [e] von dem Garten Eden die Cherubim platziert er und ein flammendes Schwert blinkt hin und her , um den Weg zum Baum des Lebens zu bewachen .

Hier sind wir auf der Erde ...

DAS ENDE

bitte in Englisch antworten
Danke.

Helsworth Wrote:
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The argument 'I hate murder but love murderers' works. My proof? I've done it, my brother got angry and destroyed my stuff, I hated that he did that, but I still loved my brother. Also people have the right to feel uncomfortable around me, I don't mind.
Your're comparing murder, torture, and rape with someone stealing your toys and breaking your power ranger figures? Grow up, kid and spare us the "I hate, but I love" stance. It's irrational and you're talking out of your ass, like always. Actually go outside and play... you just might live a little.



If somebody I love raped somebody, I would hate the rape, but I wouldn't hate them.

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The victim's family would be most inclined to hate both the felon and his deed.


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15.12.2013 13:18
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The victim's family would be most inclined to hate both the felon and his deed.


They would have the right to.

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szogun Wrote:
The argument 'I hate murder but love murderers' works. My proof? I've done it, my brother got angry and destroyed my stuff, I hated that he did that, but I still loved my brother. Also people have the right to feel uncomfortable around me, I don't mind.

Yes, with your brother that works. You knew since you were children, you grew up together - or so one would assume. It is easy to see why you can love him.

But a complete stranger? Let me pull off a variant of Godwin's law and say... What do you think of, say, Mao Zedong? You cannot love this guy. You did not know him, you did not grew up in his country. Yet he killed millions and made life miserable for many others. Do you "love" people like that? No of course you do not. Only a person who assumed that rape was love would consider saying that. Noplan

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Rising Phoenix Wrote:

szogun Wrote:
The argument 'I hate murder but love murderers' works. My proof? I've done it, my brother got angry and destroyed my stuff, I hated that he did that, but I still loved my brother. Also people have the right to feel uncomfortable around me, I don't mind.

Yes, with your brother that works. You knew since you were children, you grew up together - or so one would assume. It is easy to see why you can love him.

But a complete stranger? Let me pull off a variant of Godwin's law and say... What do you think of, say, Mao Zedong? You cannot love this guy. You did not know him, you did not grew up in his country. Yet he killed millions and made life miserable for many others. Do you "love" people like that? No of course you do not. Only a person who assumed that rape was love would consider saying that. Noplan


The following might seem crazy, but I do love Mao Zedong as a person, the guy was probably fucked up in the head.

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The following might seem crazy, but I do love Mao Zedong as a person, the guy was probably fucked up in the head.

Yes, and Mao Zedong the person was a horrible person. Him and his deeds cannot be separated -- who then, designed and carried out the 'Great Leap Forward' if not him?

We can only conclude that loving Mao Zedong the person means loving Mao Zedong the horrible person's deeds! You surely cannot love the Great Leap Forward, can you?

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Rising Phoenix Wrote:

szogun Wrote:
The following might seem crazy, but I do love Mao Zedong as a person, the guy was probably fucked up in the head.

Yes, and Mao Zedong the person was a horrible person. Him and his deeds cannot be separated -- who then, designed and carried out the 'Great Leap Forward' if not him?

We can only conclude that loving Mao Zedong the person means loving Mao Zedong the horrible person's deeds! You surely cannot love the Great Leap Forward, can you?


I love everybody as a person, but not evil deeds, and no argument will EVER change thatGroove

15.12.2013 13:58
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I love everybody as a person, but not evil deeds, and no argument will EVER change thatGroove

But... Evil comes from the inside, just as good does. Evil and good are inseparable from a person. Therefore... By loving that person you are loving what is inside them - be it good or not.

So... Maybe you do not love the fact that they killed millions of people... But you are still loving evil, because you love Mao Zedong - the tyrant. By loving a tyrant you are loving tyrany, even if you do not love the massacres and/or repression. Noplan

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