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Ok Hels, but how exactly are western governments responsible for those things? Nietzsche was referring to western government actions.


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BaktoMakhno Wrote:
Ok Hels, but how exactly are western governments responsible for those things? Nietzsche was referring to western government actions.

Ignore me, bro. My previous post was intended as sarcasm. Grant me that much at least, it's my birthday Wink


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Internet and aired entertainment of all sorts.

And cheap market junk. Do not forget the cheap market junk.

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I mainly put that phrase in to not rule out any possibilities. It is always easy to say all was bad or everything was good looking at something from some distance, and I do not like these terms nor do I generally engage in discussions containing them. I do however also not believe that anything in politics is done for benevolence, thus looking for who was the nicest party in any conflict is nothing but a bother.

I like the general idea of the EU. And the general idea of it, and all that came before, was an economical union. In terms of internal market, there was a gain for countries. NATO and the EU will also protect the sovereignty of member nations. Cynicism aside, I'd say Internet is a nice thing too, seeing that even NATO members can restrict it now without great protest, which is ironic again.
And of course all this was also a tool to gain more control over Eastern Europe than Russia. And since the core should have been an economical union, it is fair to question whether the rapid eastern expansion was a good thing for the EU, and fair to other countries concerned. In any case though, I'm living in a country which had to be reunited and the eastern part got 4.500 billion € so far and still hasn't caught up - so much for who had the better plan.

I don't know about any internal policies of the US, however, but I can imagine they have existed since it makes sense. Europa has a lot of growing up to do yet, always had, and one of those steps will be becoming more independent of the US as well, which has, on some fronts, been way less comforting and friendly than Russia has been. And Russia is at least transporting over Gas. ^^ But that's another topic.

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In any case though, I'm living in a country which had to be reunited and the eastern part got 4.500 billion € so far and still hasn't caught up - so much for who had the better plan.

I remember Thatcher's expressed grief over german reunification. umpf
4,5 billion euros? Well, what exactly was done with that sum? Physically speaking in terms of infrastructure, manufacturing, and social services?
I so hate the euro-zone construct, because it's based on dogmatic/arbitrary economic and financial provisions (neoliberal principles) - which basically makes all the EZ member states operate with all the restrictions of a foreign currency. And the financial geometry varies because there is NO banking union with a common currency union. A euro in a greek bank is worth less than a euro in an itallian bank, which is worth less than an euro in a french bank, which is worth less than a euro in a german bank.
That's not the case in the UK or the USA. That's why you don't see the US and UK governments talking about kicking out states like Whales and Nevada from the kingdom/union.


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The biggest part were social welfare benefits, and about 1/3 was invested into infrastructure etc.

We have to get the numbers streight here though. It is difficult to say exactly, because nobody counted. I have to correct myself here to begin with, I was referring to D-Mark. Anyways, in 2009, most calculations came down to 1.6 trillion (1.600 billion) €. [D-Mark to € was around 2/1, hence my mistake for some reason]
The economy of the GDR was a wasteland, and the effects are still felt today.

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I thought that figure was strange Wink
So the majority of those funds were spent on welfare. Germany can be partitioned accordingly in 2 sides; the western part with a surplus always against the eastern part and vice-versa.
http://varoufakis.files.wordpress.com/20...l-plan.pdf


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Exactly. But the countries with surplus become rare. Now it is mainly the south paying for everyone else. I think we're going off topic here though.

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Exactly. But the countries with surplus become rare. Now it is mainly the south paying for everyone else. I think we're going off topic here though.

Is southern Germany the large surplus region within the country?
Yes, we are going off-topic, but at least it's with a worthwhile subject. Happy


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