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I support semi-authoritarian state socialism. For the modern world it is the best possible system, though eventually it of course should be reformed into the system that will be free from authoritarian elements. But the modern people are not yet always ready to making correct decisions without coercion from above.

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I support semi-authoritarian state socialism. For the modern world it is the best possible system, though eventually it of course should be reformed into the system that will be free from authoritarian elements.

Media is always authoritarian, as far it's directing of illiterate minds is concerned.

And before you bring up education, education is authoritarian media, non-education being what they call self-direction.

You have not comprehended the nature of plebeians as things, that is, reaction machines, driven solely by external input. But that's what an illiterate is, and it's what an externally-educated person is.

If you mean to say that you wish no media, then you are simply a Taoist. I personally don't consider all such superficial cultivation of said machines to be bad.

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Media is always authoritarian, as far it's directing of illiterate minds is concerned.

One of objectives of socialism is to eventually create the society were everyone will have "literate" minds.

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And before you bring up education, education is authoritarian media, non-education being what they call self-direction.

The main aim of enlightened education is to teach people how to educate themselves.

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You have not comprehended the nature of plebeians as things driven solely by input. But that's what an illiterate is, and it's what an externally-educated person is.

It is the purpose of enlightened society to change such state of affairs and raise everyone to the level where they will stop to be “plebeians”.

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It is the purpose of enlightened society to change such state of affairs and raise everyone to the level where they will stop to be “plebeians”.

That's authoritarian.

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The main aim of enlightened education is to teach people how to educate themselves.

If it happened like that, they'd already have a socialist state. These things are only capable of superficial consideration. One should love the people so as to give them a pretty coating, but that's all it is.

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I think it comes to no surprise I prefer Socialism. I took a political test that gave me the best result so far despite the test being pretty flawed as it ended up with only 4 choices but this is how it described me


Socialism is both inevitable and temporary. Once capitalism has fully replaced more primitive stages of development, socialism will replace capitalism. What Marx called Communism is a result of the withering away of socialist states, and a return to mankind's original form of social organization. Think of it as a technologically advanced hunter-gatherer system. Everyone is equal, there are no leaders except for ad hoc moderators and ad hoc committees which dissolve as soon as their task is complete. People form voluntary bands of association and move about freely from band to band. There is no private property, everything belongs to the commons. There are no armies or currencies.

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debauchery Wrote:

Lord Alexander Wrote:
It is the purpose of enlightened society to change such state of affairs and raise everyone to the level where they will stop to be “plebeians”.

That's authoritarian.

That is why I say that some degree of authoritarianism is absolutely necessary for the modern society. But when this task will be achieved it will become possible to be authoritarian only toward the children.

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The main aim of enlightened education is to teach people how to educate themselves.

If it happened like that, they'd already have a socialist state. These things are only capable of superficial consideration. One should love the people so as to give them a pretty coating, but that's all it is.

Modern education is usually not able to fulfill this aim, but it nevertheless its aim. When the socialist society will be able to organize the education system that will be fully able to teach children how to educate themselves it will become possible to reform the society into the truly free and classless one.

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Theolor Wrote:
I think it comes to no surprise I prefer Socialism. I took a political test that gave me the best result so far despite the test being pretty flawed as it ended up with only 4 choices but this is how it described me


Socialism is both inevitable and temporary. Once capitalism has fully replaced more primitive stages of development, socialism will replace capitalism. What Marx called Communism is a result of the withering away of socialist states, and a return to mankind's original form of social organization. Think of it as a technologically advanced hunter-gatherer system. Everyone is equal, there are no leaders except for ad hoc moderators and ad hoc committees which dissolve as soon as their task is complete. People form voluntary bands of association and move about freely from band to band. There is no private property, everything belongs to the commons. There are no armies or currencies.


I don't like the idea of not having a state like Marx laid out, it's basically Anarchism and I don't believe in it. To be blunt and forthright, I believe in a strong authoritarian state and like Lenin said, led by a Vanguard Party of revolutionary class conscious and intellectual members of the working class. I would say similar to the Soviet Union Post Stalin, or like Tito's Yugoslavia.


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I don't like the idea of not having a state like Marx laid out, it's basically Anarchism and I don't believe in it. To be blunt and forthright, I believe in a strong authoritarian state and like Lenin said, led by a Vanguard Party of revolutionary class conscious and intellectual members of the working class. I would say similar to the Soviet Union Post Stalin, or like Tito's Yugoslavia.

Although I find such system quite desirable for the present day situation it is important to remember that Lenin and other communist revolutionaries have designed dictatorship of the revolutionary vanguard as temporary solution, not as something that can and should be preserved forever. The true strength of these societies was in the intention to change the world, the society and the people in such way that will make all these authoritarian elements absolutely unnecessary.

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I don't like the idea of not having a state like Marx laid out, it's basically Anarchism and I don't believe in it. To be blunt and forthright, I believe in a strong authoritarian state and like Lenin said, led by a Vanguard Party of revolutionary class conscious and intellectual members of the working class. I would say similar to the Soviet Union Post Stalin, or like Tito's Yugoslavia.


I very much favor Tito's Yugoslavia (you can probably guess that by my name). Marx's version of anarchy very much appeals t me, in contrast to Bakunin's. Lenin himself stated that this was his gal as well, once the "stink of the bourgeoisie" had finally worn off of humanity.

As for me, I draw from DeLeon, Debs, Trotsky, and (of course) Khardelj as sources if inspiration

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Theolor Wrote:
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I don't like the idea of not having a state like Marx laid out, it's basically Anarchism and I don't believe in it. To be blunt and forthright, I believe in a strong authoritarian state and like Lenin said, led by a Vanguard Party of revolutionary class conscious and intellectual members of the working class. I would say similar to the Soviet Union Post Stalin, or like Tito's Yugoslavia.


I very much favor Tito's Yugoslavia (you can probably guess that by my name). Marx's version of anarchy very much appeals t me, in contrast to Bakunin's. Lenin himself stated that this was his gal as well, once the "stink of the bourgeoisie" had finally worn off of humanity.

As for me, I draw from DeLeon, Debs, Trotsky, and (of course) Khardelj as sources if inspiration


I'm all for Lenin, Stalin (yes you read that right) and Bukharin, they were my favorite. The only thing I dislike about Stalin is that he killed Bukharin. While I do not agree with Stalin on everything I see what he did as absolutely necessary in creating a new branch for Communism - into an Authoritarian/Totalitarian branch and also he took a country 50-100 years behind the west and turned it into a super power in a short period of time - Granted there were some consequences for this but I believe it was necessary - let's not forget if not for Stalin's Russia, Germany might have won the European theater of world war 2 -- I reject the view that the USA did the heavy lifting -- they came in at the end and took all the glory.


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